This article is a follow up to a recent case which was discussed here.
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Former witness in local newspaper
by Saltheart Foamfollower inthis article is a follow up to a recent case which was discussed here.. http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/local/former-jehovah-s-witness-says-church-s-policies-don-t-help-abuse-victims-1-7588106.
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2015 10-20-BOE!
by Atlantis in2015, 10/20/boe.. .. re: making wise use of printed magazines.. .. page 2: .
this postscript should neither be read to the congregation nor be posted .
on the information board.. .
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Haven't seen this commented on yet - prepare for magazine servants to resign/revolt when they discover they will have to separate nested copies of all magazines (second paragraph). Why cant they just supply them separated?
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Billingham Congregation
by Researchedandenlightened inhttp://theukdatabase.com/2015/11/12/ian-ross-billinghamsouthend/.
leading churchman caught with perverted images of girls as young as three.
a leading churchman has been ordered to go on a sex offenders programme after he was caught with child abuse images of the most serious level on his home computer.. highly respected jehovah witness ian ross, 65, had perverted images of girls as young as three engaged in sexual acts with adults.. he pleaded guilty to making indecent images of children between may 2013 and may last year..
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Saltheart Foamfollower
Billingham is the neighbouring congregation to Hartlepool who had their own story reported here a few weeks ago. Interestingly, the circuit overseer who was in charge at the time both events occurred was removed as a c/o without explanation last year. I don't know if there is a connection, but I'd love to think that he may have got the police involved.
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2015 10-20-BOE!
by Atlantis in2015, 10/20/boe.. .. re: making wise use of printed magazines.. .. page 2: .
this postscript should neither be read to the congregation nor be posted .
on the information board.. .
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They seem to be trying to sneak through the changes to reporting for some reason. BTW, this means that the new Organized book is already out of date. Ch 8 paragraph 24 talks about reporting books, brochures and magazines in their own columns.
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Coordinator of Elders Problems in One Southern England Circuit!
by The Searcher ininformation just passed to me.
let's hope this becomes even more widespread.
i wonder if the britain branch suspects a conspiracy?
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Saltheart Foamfollower
One circuit in the north had about 8 or 9 COBEs replaced by younger men on the last round of visits by their C/O. His name is Ray Shah. Anyone know where he is now and if he is continuing his policy?
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Where are you from?
by BeautifulMind ini know we are all anonymous for our own personal reasons, so i understand if you would rather not say.
but if you don't mind sharing that would be cool.
i currently live in georgia, usa.
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Saltheart Foamfollower
North East England. Hello world!
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If you are a current active JW, What rules do you deliberately break?
by Truthexplorer indo the lottery.
celebrate my child's birthday.
sign workmates birthday cards.
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No 'Tight Pants' policy is now official - classed as 'disturbing'
by wizzstick inin short:- tight pants is no longer just a am3 hang up (or is that a hang up on the well hung?
)- brothers who have effeminate body language are flagged up- as are sisters with 'masculine' hair styles or dress- such dress is 'disturbing to the congregation'- the above must heed the (repeated) counsel from the elders...or they get stripped of the right to share on the ministry- however...this will not be revealed (announced) to the congregation.
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The following is a quote from the shepherding book chapter 7:
19. In all cases of judicial reproof, the wrongdoer
is disqualified from special privileges. These include
pioneering, offering congregation prayer, and sharing
in any parts on the Service Meeting until he has
made further spiritual progress. This also includes
other congregational assignments that might be given
to those who are exemplary. In addition, some judicial
restrictions will be imposed in all cases of judicial
reproof. Judicial restrictions may include not
commenting at congregation meetings and not giving
student talks in the Theocratic Ministry School.
However, the judicial committee determines what judicial
restrictions to impose. When the elders inform
a repentant wrongdoer of restrictions, it would be
helpful to tell him the date of the next meeting,
at which his progress will be reviewed. It may be
discouraging to the repentant wrongdoer if restrictions
are imposed for a prolonged period of time. It
would be an exceptional case when many months
have passed and restrictions have not been gradually
lifted.Restricting field service isn't mentioned but it has definitely been said (probably in c/o meetings with elders) that it is never imposed as a restriction. This would include (in their words not mine) a repentant pedophile (felt sick just typing that). So stopping someone going in field service for even repeated "extreme" feminine behaviour is unprecedented.
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No 'Tight Pants' policy is now official - classed as 'disturbing'
by wizzstick inin short:- tight pants is no longer just a am3 hang up (or is that a hang up on the well hung?
)- brothers who have effeminate body language are flagged up- as are sisters with 'masculine' hair styles or dress- such dress is 'disturbing to the congregation'- the above must heed the (repeated) counsel from the elders...or they get stripped of the right to share on the ministry- however...this will not be revealed (announced) to the congregation.
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Saltheart Foamfollower
As far as I can tell so far I'm the only one here, who has sat through this at a c/o visit.
I have a couple of points to make on this : All of this is not from an Awake! article, it is from an outline only delivered to elders and hence at the same level of authority as the shepherding textbook. Even ministerial servants have no idea that they are being examined now for an offence they aren't aware of. Also, the emphasis, which I assume was directed by the branch, was definitely on the behaviour and traits of individuals and not their clothing - as has been mentioned that has already been written about extensively by the borg and is not really too unusual. The ultimate sanction - withdrawing the right to go in field service - is unprecedented as far as I (and other elders who I've asked) can tell.
Just to add to the confusion, based on past experience there wont be a follow up official letter, it will just be left to memory (and so in practice mostly ignored)
BTW, great that the only place this is being properly debated is here - wish it would happen in congregations.
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The real reason Chelmsford hasn't been stopped
by Saltheart Foamfollower ini haven't seen this mentioned yet.
last year in the uk, shortly after the money grab that everyone had, we had a video and letter (both probably still available from atlantis) appealing for money for the new bethel and slips were handed out etc.
this means that most uk congregations are sending a regular donation specifically for the chelmsford build.
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I haven't seen this mentioned yet. Last year in the UK, shortly after the money grab that everyone had, we had a video and letter (both probably still available from Atlantis) appealing for money for the new Bethel and slips were handed out etc. This means that most UK congregations are sending a regular donation specifically for the Chelmsford build. If they just stopped it, many would stop their contributions, so instead they seem to be slowing it almost to a stop but can still say it is going ahead so they can keep the cash coming in.
Or am I too cynical?
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